So..., what's your beef with The Urantia Book on eugenics, can you say? Can you be specific? Or do you think that everyone has the God given right to breed, like dogs and cats breed, freely and indiscriminately, so that we can perpetuate Muscular Dsytrophy and mental retardation and other birth defects in the human race, forever? Could you pick out a sentence or two and voice your specific objections? -Norm.
I will dignify that with a response, Norm- because I can assume that you haven't read the entirety of the blog which exposes a connection between the CIA and the "left wing" (having been infiltrated by fascists) to take advantage of acid heads (after promoting the LSD to them for the purpose of spiritual supremacy) and then running around murdering people. I will take the following quote, as you were very generous in allowing me to choose a quote to my liking- to which I signify respect as being virtuous and honest; rather than the back stabbing little pussy BS you get from the likes of Urantian supremacists such as Allen Rice or Byron Belitsos- total sellouts to the international banker who makes a killing (quite literally) upon fishing in these troubled waters:
52:2.12 It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals. There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright.
This is basically NAZI doctrine. The first NAZI campaign was to kill the "retards" and cripples as being unfit to live. Hitler was another one of these drug addict monsters created by the rich by their psychiatrists. Then they started in on the next group and the next- basically just using "eugenics" as a way to shut up their dissidents. Hey- I saw this great bumper sticker the other day! Said "at least we still have the right to remain silent." Hah! Hope you enjoyed this and take it to heart. I suppose what I most admire in any religion, including science, is honesty. And when it comes to racial supremacy, well the dishonest always end up walking to the front and spreading the most HORRIBLE lies. Fifty years after WW2 one can find it amusing that their bases for claiming supremacy were generally lies. And laugh about it. Have a Happy Holiday season, Norm! I should also mention here that if the kids weren't all encouraged to take drugs and made illiterate by such National campaigns as pushed by Urantian LSD pusher/priest John Creger, then maybe the preggy rate wouldnt be so high. In the end- there is still MS in Germany and killing all those Jews didn't justify the lies. They don't know what MS even IS. Latin for like "many scars" or something. Maybe if they didn't shoot microwaves at our brains....
Recommended reading by a very experienced blogger on what's wrong with Urantian Eugenics http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2009/11/urantia-cult-is-skull-bones-spin-off.html
> I will dignify that with a response, Norm- because I can assume that you haven't read the entirety of the blog which exposes a connection between the CIA and the "left wing" (having been infiltrated by fascists) to take advantage of acid heads (after promoting the LSD to them for the purpose of spiritual supremacy) and then running around murdering people.
Wow! Hello, Raul. No, I have NO idea what you're talking about. CIA? Left wing? LSD? Spiritual supremacy? Murdering people? Sorry, I don't have a clue.
> I will take the following quote, as you were very generous in allowing me to choose a quote to my liking- to which I signify respect as being virtuous and honest; rather than the back stabbing little pussy BS you get from the likes of Urantian supremacists such as Allen Rice or Byron Belitsos- total sellouts to the international banker who makes a killing (quite literally) upon fishing in these troubled waters:
I don't know who Allen Rice is. What can you tell me about him? I do know Byron Belitsos, although not personally, thankfully. He's a "channeler" (but not meaning that he personally "channels"), and from what I can surmise he's not a full believer in The Urantia Book, and a while back he told me:
"Those who reject the reality of the Teaching Mission and the Correcting Time, as you do, fail to see that this vast new celestial mission, which is to culminate in the advent of Magisterial Son, is indeed this mercy-in-action, which is presented in such a way as to not violate free will of anyone. It is right in front of your nose, Norm, but you have the free will to reject it. That's how much you are loved." -Byron Belitsos
I don't have anything to do with channelers, but I am aware that there are quite a few wackos associating with The Urantia Book and the number is growing.
> 52:2.12 It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals. There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright.
> This is basically NAZI doctrine. The first NAZI campaign was to kill the "retards" and cripples as being unfit to live.
It's only NAZI doctrine if you think it is. The Urantia Book says nothing about "killing the retards and cripples." But if you CHOOSE to read that, then who can stop you?
> Have a Happy Holiday season, Norm!
Sure, thanks. Same to you. I don't know who John Creger is below, either. Link me to him if you have a link. Are you familiar with any mainstream Urantians or legitimate Urantia Book groups? You say this Creger guy is a "Urantian LSD pusher/priest"? Never heard of him. He's certainly not a Urantian "priest." We don't have priests. Or churches. Etc. What preggy rate are you talking about? And it has something to do with The Urantia Book? How? And you mention "MS." Maybe you are mixing that up with Muscular Dystrophy (MD). A lot of folks get those mixed up.
Just found your post from December. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for the response. Someone had posted a link to a porn site and I figured the conversation was over. Yeah- I was thinking you said MS when I responded. Here is a quote from the Urantia book that, while not specifically saying "kill retards and cripples", DOES say “The selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.” Do you see this as being a healthy thought? A not nazi one? Also- I gotta ask, since you know (of) Belitsos, have you ever met Courtney Brown? He is a known CIA Operation Stargate operative in the same circle along with Creger and Belitsos) who announced on the radio that there was a spaceship hiding behind a comet shortly before that Heaven's Gate group was found dead. Heck- you ARE very interesting conversation. And I should apologize for using the word "priest" if that was offensive. I don't know the right words not being inside in the least. By "running around killing people" I mean perhaps this and two people I know and an attempt to destroy me.
You wrote... > Just found your post from December. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for the response. Someone had posted a link to a porn site and I figured the conversation was over.
I was wondering what happened.
> Yeah- I was thinking you said MS when I responded. Here is a quote from the Urantia book that, while not specifically saying "kill retards and cripples", DOES say “The selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.” Do you see this as being a healthy thought? A not nazi one?
I think that as a race (the human race) we can do a lot to eliminate a lot of genetic diseases simply by humanely curtailing some people's "right" to have offspring with certain other people, high risk carriers of MD, or Sickle Cell Anemia, or a whole host of other genetic diseases. We do genetic hybridizing with all manner of things, plants and animals, everything but ourselves. Why is that? If we can improve horses and dogs and wheat genetically, why is it Nazi to think we should maybe consider doing some of the same to the human species? I'll bet in 100 years we could have the genetic disease rate in the world down to 10% of what it is now. It's too bad that Hitler gave eugenics a bad name and now we can't talk rationally about it.
> Also- I gotta ask, since you know (of) Belitsos, have you ever met Courtney Brown?
No, but during my Art Bell, "Coast to Coast" years I did get in on the Courtney Brown, deal, and I did buy his book at that time, "Cosmic Voyage." Other than that I don't know him. Is he a Urantia Book reader? I don't think he says that in his book but it's been awhile since I read it.
> He is a known CIA Operation Stargate operative in the same circle along with Creger and Belitsos) who announced on the radio that there was a spaceship hiding behind a comet shortly before that Heaven's Gate group was found dead.
Yeah, I remember that from the Art Bell show! But mostly I remember the interminable commercials. What a waste of time that was.
> Heck- you ARE very interesting conversation. And I should apologize for using the word "priest" if that was offensive. I don't know the right words not being inside in the least.
No problem. Yeah, so far we don't have any church structure at all. And I think of Belitsos and Gabriel of Arizona, et al, as fringe channelers, not as serious Urantians.
> By "running around killing people" I mean perhaps this and two people I know and an attempt to destroy me.
Holy crap! I don't know anything about that, Raul.
Did I ever give you my site address? There's a lot of odds and ends there. http://www.freeurantia.org/
Yeah- Courtney Brown is part of the same bunch as Belitsos, Creger et al. Search their names together and they come up together in a lot of those Light and Life mags. I'll have to peek at your website now...
Okay Norm. Your site says "Religious Tolerance" in big letters. I like that. You should totally see how important it is not to tolerate CIA ops in Churches. And John Creger's marriage of church and State in eduction should be repulsive as well. Am I right? Tolerance- yes. But not THESE people!
My site says "Religious Tolerance" in big letters? I'm wondering if you're thinking of some other site, not mine. Anyway, I don't know anything about CIA ops in churches or about John Creger. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
I guess the common thread with us both is Urantia. You probably saw my post about Urantia as a whole being involved in Eugenics and decided to defend your viewpoint. My take on that is that I wonder how far you have thought through the process of how to go about sterilizing individuals- who would have the authority to do it and how. My guess is you think the perceived (if unscientific) benefit outweighs the obvious dangers, we ARE after all at war and it VERY MUCH resembles the role of Nazi Germany in WW2. In fact, CIA's Operation Stargate began with a meeting between physicist Russell Targ and Nazi (paperclipped into the US) Werner von Braun. However, beyond this is your knowledge from within the church- and you seem pretty sincere to me, if differing in opinion, so I will try to explain what in my understanding my overall blog is about as relates to you. There is a group called the Golden Gate Circle Society which was formed by Vern Grimsley at its inception. http://www.urantiaggc.org/pages/History/NameIndex.htm. You can get a good idea of the timeline and who's who in at the above link. Belitsos is there- and as you said you have spoken with Belitsos. What were the circumstances of your meeting? Also at the above link is Creger who I mentioned before, as well as Slagle, another friend of the Rices. In short- the story of Allen Rice's life and marriage is roughly the equivalent of Vern Grimsley- fraught with radio shows promoting his ideology and psychosis and I believe he preached out of the book of Satania, as well. I have not read the book of Satania from the Urantia Book and am neither am I inclined to do so anytime soon. There is apparently some sort of rift in Urantia and legal fight and Grimsley was told not to preach from the book of Satania (and from my outside viewpoint you can imagine WHY I might assume not to: Satanism?) Sorry this is so long. I am trying to condense an expansive idea here. I am now wondering what you think of preaching from the book of satania. But, of course, more mportant is how you regard CIA operatives in your church, and how you could promote sterilization while knowing of them.... as if there was no downside.
- I guess the common thread with us both is Urantia. You probably saw my post about Urantia as a whole being involved in Eugenics and decided to defend your viewpoint.
? My viewpoint is that the human race, like greyhounds or Arabian horses, or wheat, etc., can be improved.
- My take on that is that I wonder how far you have thought through the process of how to go about sterilizing individuals- who would have the authority to do it and how.
Those are problems for society to work out. In any case, I never said anything about sterilizing anyone.
- My guess is you think the perceived (if unscientific) benefit outweighs the obvious dangers, we ARE after all at war and it VERY MUCH resembles the role of Nazi Germany in WW2.
What war is that? We're always at war. Raul, I really am not following you. Sorry.
- In fact, CIA's Operation Stargate began with a meeting between physicist Russell Targ and Nazi (paperclipped into the US) Werner von Braun.
? I have no idea what you're talking about.
- However, beyond this is your knowledge from within the church- and you seem pretty sincere to me, if differing in opinion, so I will try to explain what in my understanding my overall blog is about as relates to you.
I don't belong to any church. There is no Urantia church, there is just the book.
- There is a group called the Golden Gate Circle Society which was formed by Vern Grimsley at its inception.
I am familiar with Vern Grimsley. In the 1980s he declared that WW3 was going to begin, and so on. He was wrong. He organized a now defunct group called The Family of God, FOG.
- You can get a good idea of the timeline and who's who in at the above link. Belitsos is there- and as you said you have spoken with Belitsos.
No, I did not say that. I have had email exchanges with Belitsos about his channeling, the "Teaching Mission" and the "Correcting Time."
- What were the circumstances of your meeting?
I have never met him.
> Also at the above link is Creger who I mentioned before, as well as Slagle, another friend of the Rices. In short- the story of Allen Rice's life and marriage is roughly the equivalent of Vern Grimsley- fraught with radio shows promoting his ideology and psychosis and I believe he preached out of the book of Satania, as well. I have not read the book of Satania from the Urantia Book and am neither am I inclined to do so anytime soon.
There is no "book of Satania" from the Urantia Book. And I've never heard of any "book of Satania."
- There is apparently some sort of rift in Urantia and legal fight and Grimsley was told not to preach from the book of Satania (and from my outside viewpoint you can imagine WHY I might assume not to: Satanism?)
I don't know what you're talking about, Raul. I have had my copies of The Urantia Book since 1959 and have been aware of and somewhat involved with the politics of the Urantia movement since the mid 1980s, but I have no idea what you're talking about. As far as I know, Vern has not been an influential figure in the Urantia movement since 1990 or before, 20 years ago, when he discredited himself with WW3 predictions that never happened.
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- Sorry this is so long. I am trying to condense an expansive idea here. I am now wondering what you think of preaching from the book of satania.
I have never heard of the book of Satania. Maybe I'll go ahead and Google it after I send this off.
- But, of course, more mportant is how you regard CIA operatives in your church,
We don't have a church. Are you mistaking a study group or a chartered "society" for a church? There is just the book. And I don't know of any CIA operatives in the Urantia movement, but if there are, perhaps they like the book.
- and how you could promote sterilization while knowing of them....
I don't promote sterilization. I promote the improvement of the human race. It's up to society to decide to do that, when to do it, and how to do it.
I don't think we're on the same page, Raul, and sometimes it seems that you might be confusing me and my website with someone else and some other website.
Anyway, take care. Nice talking to you. It's not a problem that we're not connecting, but for some reason we're not.
I am not confusing you for someone else, Norm- just trying to find out who you are and maybe put out some ideas that might be worth milling over. Like- you say "It's up to society to decide how to eradicate the inferior human strains," which is what you promote out of your own bible, the Urantia book. By "Church" probably the most applicable definition would be "institutionalized religion as a political or social force," precisely what Urantians are attempting and accomplishing, from corrupting eductaion to eugenics campaigns. And yes, they like the Urantia book.
And I am sorry I cannot locate the info I had on "The Book of Satania" for you right now. I spent a good while looking for it but it looks like it may have disappeared.
If you're reading this Norm- I should apologize if you thought the Dark Priest comment applied to everyone in Urantia. I am talking specifically about the dark forces here. Not the honest ones. Think of it as a metaphor.
In retrospect it is interesting that that lady who shot up- what was it, the Oklahoma University?, that she had developed a new etiology for MS which is, you guessed it- radiation! These weird isolated incidents of terrorism are really interesting. I mean- these guys are not commen thugs- they are SCIENTISTS!
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So..., what's your beef with The Urantia Book on eugenics, can you say? Can you be specific? Or do you think that everyone has the God given right to breed, like dogs and cats breed, freely and indiscriminately, so that we can perpetuate Muscular Dsytrophy and mental retardation and other birth defects in the human race, forever? Could you pick out a sentence or two and voice your specific objections? -Norm.
I will dignify that with a response, Norm- because I can assume that you haven't read the entirety of the blog which exposes a connection between the CIA and the "left wing" (having been infiltrated by fascists) to take advantage of acid heads (after promoting the LSD to them for the purpose of spiritual supremacy) and then running around murdering people.
I will take the following quote, as you were very generous in allowing me to choose a quote to my liking- to which I signify respect as being virtuous and honest; rather than the back stabbing little pussy BS you get from the likes of Urantian supremacists such as Allen Rice or Byron Belitsos- total sellouts to the international banker who makes a killing (quite literally) upon fishing in these troubled waters:
52:2.12 It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals. There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright.
This is basically NAZI doctrine. The first NAZI campaign was to kill the "retards" and cripples as being unfit to live. Hitler was another one of these drug addict monsters created by the rich by their psychiatrists. Then they started in on the next group and the next- basically just using "eugenics" as a way to shut up their dissidents.
Hey- I saw this great bumper sticker the other day! Said "at least we still have the right to remain silent." Hah!
Hope you enjoyed this and take it to heart.
I suppose what I most admire in any religion, including science, is honesty. And when it comes to racial supremacy, well the dishonest always end up walking to the front and spreading the most HORRIBLE lies. Fifty years after WW2 one can find it amusing that their bases for claiming supremacy were generally lies. And laugh about it.
Have a Happy Holiday season, Norm!
I should also mention here that if the kids weren't all encouraged to take drugs and made illiterate by such National campaigns as pushed by Urantian LSD pusher/priest John Creger, then maybe the preggy rate wouldnt be so high.
In the end- there is still MS in Germany and killing all those Jews didn't justify the lies.
They don't know what MS even IS. Latin for like "many scars" or something. Maybe if they didn't shoot microwaves at our brains....
Recommended reading by a very experienced blogger on what's wrong with Urantian Eugenics
http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2009/11/urantia-cult-is-skull-bones-spin-off.html
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Raul wrote:
> I will dignify that with a response, Norm- because I can assume that you haven't read the entirety of the blog which exposes a connection between the CIA and the "left wing" (having been infiltrated by fascists) to take advantage of acid heads (after promoting the LSD to them for the purpose of spiritual supremacy) and then running around murdering people.
Wow! Hello, Raul. No, I have NO idea what you're talking about. CIA? Left wing? LSD? Spiritual supremacy? Murdering people? Sorry, I don't have a clue.
> I will take the following quote, as you were very generous in allowing me to choose a quote to my liking- to which I signify respect as being virtuous and honest; rather than the back stabbing little pussy BS you get from the likes of Urantian supremacists such as Allen Rice or Byron Belitsos- total sellouts to the international banker who makes a killing (quite literally) upon fishing in these troubled waters:
I don't know who Allen Rice is. What can you tell me about him? I do know Byron Belitsos, although not personally, thankfully. He's a "channeler" (but not meaning that he personally "channels"), and from what I can surmise he's not a full believer in The Urantia Book, and a while back he told me:
"Those who reject the reality of the Teaching Mission and the Correcting Time, as you do, fail to see that this vast new celestial mission, which is to culminate in the advent of Magisterial Son, is indeed this mercy-in-action, which is presented in such a way as to not violate free will of anyone. It is right in front of your nose, Norm, but you have the free will to reject it. That's how much you are loved." -Byron Belitsos
I don't have anything to do with channelers, but I am aware that there are quite a few wackos associating with The Urantia Book and the number is growing.
> 52:2.12 It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals. There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright.
> This is basically NAZI doctrine. The first NAZI campaign was to kill the "retards" and cripples as being unfit to live.
It's only NAZI doctrine if you think it is. The Urantia Book says nothing about "killing the retards and cripples." But if you CHOOSE to read that, then who can stop you?
> Have a Happy Holiday season, Norm!
Sure, thanks. Same to you. I don't know who John Creger is below, either. Link me to him if you have a link. Are you familiar with any mainstream Urantians or legitimate Urantia Book groups? You say this Creger guy is a "Urantian LSD pusher/priest"? Never heard of him. He's certainly not a Urantian "priest." We don't have priests. Or churches. Etc. What preggy rate are you talking about? And it has something to do with The Urantia Book? How? And you mention "MS." Maybe you are mixing that up with Muscular Dystrophy (MD). A lot of folks get those mixed up.
Take care.
Norm.
Just found your post from December. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for the response. Someone had posted a link to a porn site and I figured the conversation was over.
Yeah- I was thinking you said MS when I responded.
Here is a quote from the Urantia book that, while not specifically saying "kill retards and cripples", DOES say “The selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.” Do you see this as being a healthy thought? A not nazi one? Also- I gotta ask, since you know (of) Belitsos, have you ever met Courtney Brown? He is a known CIA Operation Stargate operative in the same circle along with Creger and Belitsos) who announced on the radio that there was a spaceship hiding behind a comet shortly before that Heaven's Gate group was found dead. Heck- you ARE very interesting conversation.
And I should apologize for using the word "priest" if that was offensive. I don't know the right words not being inside in the least.
By "running around killing people" I mean perhaps this and two people I know and an attempt to destroy me.
Hi Raul,
You wrote...
> Just found your post from December. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for the response. Someone had posted a link to a porn site and I figured the conversation was over.
I was wondering what happened.
> Yeah- I was thinking you said MS when I responded.
Here is a quote from the Urantia book that, while not specifically saying "kill retards and cripples", DOES say “The selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.” Do you see this as being a healthy thought? A not nazi one?
I think that as a race (the human race) we can do a lot to eliminate a lot of genetic diseases simply by humanely curtailing some people's "right" to have offspring with certain other people, high risk carriers of MD, or Sickle Cell Anemia, or a whole host of other genetic diseases. We do genetic hybridizing with all manner of things, plants and animals, everything but ourselves. Why is that? If we can improve horses and dogs and wheat genetically, why is it Nazi to think we should maybe consider doing some of the same to the human species? I'll bet in 100 years we could have the genetic disease rate in the world down to 10% of what it is now. It's too bad that Hitler gave eugenics a bad name and now we can't talk rationally about it.
> Also- I gotta ask, since you know (of) Belitsos, have you ever met Courtney Brown?
No, but during my Art Bell, "Coast to Coast" years I did get in on the Courtney Brown, deal, and I did buy his book at that time, "Cosmic Voyage." Other than that I don't know him. Is he a Urantia Book reader? I don't think he says that in his book but it's been awhile since I read it.
> He is a known CIA Operation Stargate operative in the same circle along with Creger and Belitsos) who announced on the radio that there was a spaceship hiding behind a comet shortly before that Heaven's Gate group was found dead.
Yeah, I remember that from the Art Bell show! But mostly I remember the interminable commercials. What a waste of time that was.
> Heck- you ARE very interesting conversation.
And I should apologize for using the word "priest" if that was offensive. I don't know the right words not being inside in the least.
No problem. Yeah, so far we don't have any church structure at all. And I think of Belitsos and Gabriel of Arizona, et al, as fringe channelers, not as serious Urantians.
> By "running around killing people" I mean perhaps this and two people I know and an attempt to destroy me.
Holy crap! I don't know anything about that, Raul.
Did I ever give you my site address? There's a lot of odds and ends there. http://www.freeurantia.org/
Norm.
Yeah- Courtney Brown is part of the same bunch as Belitsos, Creger et al. Search their names together and they come up together in a lot of those Light and Life mags.
I'll have to peek at your website now...
Okay Norm. Your site says "Religious Tolerance" in big letters. I like that. You should totally see how important it is not to tolerate CIA ops in Churches. And John Creger's marriage of church and State in eduction should be repulsive as well. Am I right?
Tolerance- yes. But not THESE people!
Hi Raul,
My site says "Religious Tolerance" in big letters? I'm wondering if you're thinking of some other site, not mine. Anyway, I don't know anything about CIA ops in churches or about John Creger. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
Take care.
Norm.
I guess the common thread with us both is Urantia. You probably saw my post about Urantia as a whole being involved in Eugenics and decided to defend your viewpoint.
My take on that is that I wonder how far you have thought through the process of how to go about sterilizing individuals- who would have the authority to do it and how. My guess is you think the perceived (if unscientific) benefit outweighs the obvious dangers, we ARE after all at war and it VERY MUCH resembles the role of Nazi Germany in WW2. In fact, CIA's Operation Stargate began with a meeting between physicist Russell Targ and Nazi (paperclipped into the US) Werner von Braun.
However, beyond this is your knowledge from within the church- and you seem pretty sincere to me, if differing in opinion, so I will try to explain what in my understanding my overall blog is about as relates to you. There is a group called the Golden Gate Circle Society which was formed by Vern Grimsley at its inception. http://www.urantiaggc.org/pages/History/NameIndex.htm.
You can get a good idea of the timeline and who's who in at the above link. Belitsos is there- and as you said you have spoken with Belitsos. What were the circumstances of your meeting? Also at the above link is Creger who I mentioned before, as well as Slagle, another friend of the Rices.
In short- the story of Allen Rice's life and marriage is roughly the equivalent of Vern Grimsley- fraught with radio shows promoting his ideology and psychosis and I believe he preached out of the book of Satania, as well. I have not read the book of Satania from the Urantia Book and am neither am I inclined to do so anytime soon.
There is apparently some sort of rift in Urantia and legal fight and Grimsley was told not to preach from the book of Satania (and from my outside viewpoint you can imagine WHY I might assume not to: Satanism?)
Sorry this is so long. I am trying to condense an expansive idea here.
I am now wondering what you think of preaching from the book of satania. But, of course, more mportant is how you regard CIA operatives in your church, and how you could promote sterilization while knowing of them.... as if there was no downside.
Hi Raul,
- I guess the common thread with us both is Urantia. You probably saw my post about Urantia as a whole being involved in Eugenics and decided to defend your viewpoint.
? My viewpoint is that the human race, like greyhounds or Arabian horses, or wheat, etc., can be improved.
- My take on that is that I wonder how far you have thought through the process of how to go about sterilizing individuals- who would have the authority to do it and how.
Those are problems for society to work out. In any case, I never said anything about sterilizing anyone.
- My guess is you think the perceived (if unscientific) benefit outweighs the obvious dangers, we ARE after all at war and it VERY MUCH resembles the role of Nazi Germany in WW2.
What war is that? We're always at war. Raul, I really am not following you. Sorry.
- In fact, CIA's Operation Stargate began with a meeting between physicist Russell Targ and Nazi (paperclipped into the US) Werner von Braun.
? I have no idea what you're talking about.
- However, beyond this is your knowledge from within the church- and you seem pretty sincere to me, if differing in opinion, so I will try to explain what in my understanding my overall blog is about as relates to you.
I don't belong to any church. There is no Urantia church, there is just the book.
- There is a group called the Golden Gate Circle Society which was formed by Vern Grimsley at its inception.
I am familiar with Vern Grimsley. In the 1980s he declared that WW3 was going to begin, and so on. He was wrong. He organized a now defunct group called The Family of God, FOG.
- You can get a good idea of the timeline and who's who in at the above link. Belitsos is there- and as you said you have spoken with Belitsos.
No, I did not say that. I have had email exchanges with Belitsos about his channeling, the "Teaching Mission" and the "Correcting Time."
- What were the circumstances of your meeting?
I have never met him.
> Also at the above link is Creger who I mentioned before, as well as Slagle, another friend of the Rices. In short- the story of Allen Rice's life and marriage is roughly the equivalent of Vern Grimsley- fraught with radio shows promoting his ideology and psychosis and I believe he preached out of the book of Satania, as well. I have not read the book of Satania from the Urantia Book and am neither am I inclined to do so anytime soon.
There is no "book of Satania" from the Urantia Book. And I've never heard of any "book of Satania."
- There is apparently some sort of rift in Urantia and legal fight and Grimsley was told not to preach from the book of Satania (and from my outside viewpoint you can imagine WHY I might assume not to: Satanism?)
I don't know what you're talking about, Raul. I have had my copies of The Urantia Book since 1959 and have been aware of and somewhat involved with the politics of the Urantia movement since the mid 1980s, but I have no idea what you're talking about. As far as I know, Vern has not been an influential figure in the Urantia movement since 1990 or before, 20 years ago, when he discredited himself with WW3 predictions that never happened.
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Raul said:
- Sorry this is so long. I am trying to condense an expansive idea here. I am now wondering what you think of preaching from the book of satania.
I have never heard of the book of Satania. Maybe I'll go ahead and Google it after I send this off.
- But, of course, more mportant is how you regard CIA operatives in your church,
We don't have a church. Are you mistaking a study group or a chartered "society" for a church? There is just the book. And I don't know of any CIA operatives in the Urantia movement, but if there are, perhaps they like the book.
- and how you could promote sterilization while knowing of them....
I don't promote sterilization. I promote the improvement of the human race. It's up to society to decide to do that, when to do it, and how to do it.
I don't think we're on the same page, Raul, and sometimes it seems that you might be confusing me and my website with someone else and some other website.
Anyway, take care. Nice talking to you. It's not a problem that we're not connecting, but for some reason we're not.
Norm.
I am not confusing you for someone else, Norm- just trying to find out who you are and maybe put out some ideas that might be worth milling over. Like- you say "It's up to society to decide how to eradicate the inferior human strains," which is what you promote out of your own bible, the Urantia book.
By "Church" probably the most applicable definition would be "institutionalized religion as a political or social force," precisely what Urantians are attempting and accomplishing, from corrupting eductaion to eugenics campaigns. And yes, they like the Urantia book.
And I am sorry I cannot locate the info I had on "The Book of Satania" for you right now. I spent a good while looking for it but it looks like it may have disappeared.
I found this very informative- thanks for the website! http://www.freeurantia.org/Chapter10.htm
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
This is an article on how Eugenics has entered mainstream US politics through so-called "science and technology"
If you're reading this Norm- I should apologize if you thought the Dark Priest comment applied to everyone in Urantia. I am talking specifically about the dark forces here. Not the honest ones. Think of it as a metaphor.
In retrospect it is interesting that that lady who shot up- what was it, the Oklahoma University?, that she had developed a new etiology for MS which is, you guessed it- radiation!
These weird isolated incidents of terrorism are really interesting. I mean- these guys are not commen thugs- they are SCIENTISTS!
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